instructor certification

topic posted Sun, March 20, 2005 - 10:59 AM by  Unsubscribed
does anybody have any advice on obtaining certification? i'd like to train to teach in or around san francisco. however, there are many pilates offshoots- not the trademarked real deal- where do you go for classic, joseph pilates pilates training?
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  • Re: instructor certification

    Thu, March 24, 2005 - 9:21 PM
    www.mindbodyconnection.net

    I'm getting certified through Physical Mind which is by far the most reputable and recognized world wide.
    Angelina Spector is absolutely the most astute and intelligent instructor certifying in the SF/Bay area-she's also fully certified in Gyrotonics and Yamuna Body Rolling which are essential tools for Pilates instructors to add to their teaching and practice.
    Elle Herman has trained VERy impressive trainers in the Bay Area and wrote Pilates For Dummies. Avoid Windsor , Stott and Powerhouse as the don't have very stringent requirements.
    A real pilates certification takes at least one year, ideally two ...until you have a full knowledge of fundamentals, mat, apparatus , detailed anantomy knowledge, teaching skills and rehab knowledge.
    • Re: instructor certification

      Fri, March 25, 2005 - 9:26 AM
      It's also important that you have at least 60 to 100 observation hours and the same amount of teacher training (eg: working with clients as an internIt sounds very lengthy and it is. It has to be or you risk becoming one of those teachers who put their students health at risk by trying to move to fast.
      I took a mat class at 24 hour club and was aghast at how poor the teaching was. The Hundred was done with no attention to form or spine placement and the teacher obviousky was not certified.
      You also have to placate students who want to bypass fundamentals and do the hard stuff right off the bat. Polietly tell them that pilates is a gradual process-they can't just walk into it like Yoga and expect to hit it. when i have mat ckasses with pushy students I tell them that we can change the name of the class to "Yoga Core", that usually quiets them down ;)
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        Re: instructor certification

        Fri, March 25, 2005 - 7:25 PM
        That 24 hour club pilates mat class sounds crazy! Unfortunately, I have a feeling it's taught that way at many other fitness centers. My sister had a similar opinion about pilates mat classes taken at a gym, and also at a local studio called "PILATES STUDIO".

        The muscle work involved in Pilates is so specific. There's just no short cuts to it, and thankfully so. I think many folks get into it because the celebs are doing it, and they think it's about ab crunches in slo-mo, and they'll get six-pack abs, when the truth is that isn't even the point, and that ain't even the target muscle group (rectus abdominus), and those hidden vital core muscles lurking beneath are being completely ignored.

        It seems with pilates' surge in popularity comes the increasing demand for more teachers, and short cuts in training.

        I don't know of training centers in the bay area. But in case you or someone else on this list are interested in training centers in Socal, Orange Coast College has an top-notch certification program. OCC's Dance Dept has been a pioneer by offering Pilates long before it became a household name. They've got two new Pilates studios, and great equipment. The teachers are experienced and knowledgable, and are real sticklers about correct technique and a deeper understanding of Pilates:
        (scroll to bottom)
        www.orangecoastcollege.edu/acad...t.htm


        There is also Long Beach Dance Conditioning, which I've heard has a good, solid and thorough program:
        www.longbeachdance.com/
        • Re: instructor certification

          Fri, March 25, 2005 - 7:48 PM
          "Is Your Pilates Instructor Hazardous To Your Health?" was a recent headline in The Wall Street Journal. In 1991 there 200 or so instructors now there are closer to 15,000!
          We have to keep the faith and tell our clients to go slow:)
          • Re: instructor certification

            Sat, March 26, 2005 - 10:23 AM
            This whole discussion has got me thinking about what I'm learning, and if it's correct? I've just been doing the a video from Gaiam called "pilates intermediate mat workout". Is this a good source of info to learn from? I don't want to be am instructor, but Ido want to do the proper exercises.
            • Re: instructor certification

              Sat, March 26, 2005 - 10:57 AM
              Videos are rarely a great place to start with pilates but not everyone can afford private or even group training -that's the problem.
              When I have some spare time I'll post the fundamentals. If you understand those basic small movements and how you integrate the breath and the core alongside them then you should be okay.
              BTW: The core is not just the lower back and abs, it really starts at the pelvic floor and stops at the neck.
              • Re: instructor certification

                Sat, March 26, 2005 - 12:10 PM
                I'm currently being trained for Pilates certification at the Ellie Herman studios in SF (Valencia and 26th), and it's a very comprehensive program. Ellie studied under Kathy Grant and Romana Kryzanowska (2 of Joseph's original students), but Ellie doesn't teach 'classical' Pilates, if you define classical Pilates (New York style) as doing all the exercises in flat back. Ellie teaches West Coast style Pilates, which emphasizes on neutral spine (which is more natural and functional).

                I'm pretty happy with the program. Before getting tested for certification, I'll have to put in a total of 800 hours of lectures, observation, self-practice, small groups, and student teacher training, which will take about a year.

                Her website is ellie.net if you want more info.

                Another good site to check out is www.pilatesmethodalliance.org, a Pilates organization which is currently trying to standarize the certification process, so that one can't claim to be a Pilates instructor by taking a weekend class.
                • Re: instructor certification

                  Sat, March 26, 2005 - 10:09 PM
                  Sandra Stringer who trained at Elle H teaches at MBC and she is amazing.
                  The flat back vs neutral/fundamentals is a great point. I think it's best to have the option of both.
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                    Sun, March 27, 2005 - 8:47 AM
                    thank you so much! i'd not heard of physical mind; i was looking into ellie herman. after i talk to them, i'm sure i'll have more questions. i started doing pilates in chicago, but i stopped for some time to work on yachts. i've found so many pilates charlatans since then- i want to show people the real deal.
                    • Re: instructor certification

                      Sun, March 27, 2005 - 5:40 PM
                      www.themethodpilates.com/

                      You will be VERY impressed :)
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                        Mon, March 28, 2005 - 7:44 AM
                        I agree with most everything you say here amanda and I am also cert. thru PMind. I have been teaching since 2000 with many many hours of study and apprenticship behind me.... BUT ......I read this statement...

                        "they can't just walk into it like Yoga and expect to hit it. "

                        You just can't waltz into a yoga class and "get it". I have been studying and practicing BOTH since the early 90's. Both have thier own challanges.

                        However, I do believe Pilates does strenghten and tone somewhat better than yoga. (depending on the type of yoga) Yoga is best for obtaining the "mood" and "spirt" of the experiance. Where Piltaes doesn't do that at all. Both have thier drawbacks and pluses....I love em both.
                        • Re: instructor certification

                          Mon, March 28, 2005 - 9:52 AM
                          With the exception of Bikram and obviously the more advanced Yoga disciplines and classes you CAN walk in many level one yoga classes and catch on wheras with pilates you cannot.

                          Modifications in yoga are easy to demo w/out holding the class back and movements are bigger and simpler. I'm certified in both so I speak with some experience.
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                            Tue, March 29, 2005 - 8:12 AM
                            Yes I am certified in both also. I still disagree. I have been in some of the 24-hour health clubs that claim this..."ust drop in and try it" for both pilates and yoga....I have been in both just to see what it is all about and this is NOT the place to have your first experience with either.
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                              Tue, March 29, 2005 - 8:13 AM
                              that is "just" drop in and try it.....LOL
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                                Tue, March 29, 2005 - 1:30 PM
                                My experience has been much different. With the exception of say some inept kick boxing instructor at a chain fitness center who teaches yoga on the side and may or may not certified, most LEVEL 1 yoga classes are much easier to follow for a newbie-especially Iyengar, restorative and basic community Hatha classes.
                                Anyone with a few yoga classes and good flexibity can not only follow one of the above classes in LEVEL 1 but can leave the class feeling like they really got a decent workout/or whatever they want to call it aka 'just hit it.'
                                Andsura, Kundalini, Bikram, Gyrokenisis-now that's a different story -because they are highly specialized and clients most sign on for awhile to really reap the benefits.
                                Even someone who has studied yoga for years will need to spend at least a month on fundamentals and basic mat twice a week before they can start to 'get' pilates. Many student complain that it's baby movements and wonder when they can do more advanced work like the reformer...Rome was not built in a day!
                                • Re: instructor certification

                                  Tue, March 29, 2005 - 3:41 PM
                                  I would argue that exercises on the reformer and other equipment are easier than mat work. Mat work, if done correctly, is difficult. People often use the wrong muscles when doing exercises, and don't take into consideration important Pilates concepts such as stabilization, articulation and balance.

                                  Joseph Pilates developed the reformer and other equipment to assist his clients, so that they would be able to do mat work correctly. The equipment were used as a substitute for himself, because he was training so many people that he didn't have time to train all of them individually.
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                                    Tue, March 29, 2005 - 4:00 PM
                                    I agree 100% but most people -in fact no one- will pay for private mat work. They want what they can't get at home.
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                                      Wed, March 30, 2005 - 9:01 AM
                                      "Even someone who has studied yoga for years will need to spend at least a month on fundamentals and basic mat twice a week before they can start to 'get' pilates. Many student complain that it's baby movements and wonder when they can do more advanced work like the reformer...Rome was not built in a day!"


                                      Yep you nailed it there! That happens to me all the time! But as you know if they stick with it ..it sure pays off!

                                      I am glad you found your experience to be better at the Level 1 yoga class. Around here at the 24hr gyms you don't find a suitable class...I think because they stuff so many people in for just one instructor. I still believe tho, that most people ...would find pilates and yoga equally as challanging in the beginning. But I can only speak for myself and the clients I have worked with.
                                      Everyone's experience is different.
  • Re: instructor certification

    Mon, April 4, 2005 - 3:22 PM
    another one you can try is www.powerpilates.com
    • Re: instructor certification

      Fri, April 8, 2005 - 6:21 PM
      I really researched certification courses near me and I chose Power Pilates. I have my beginner mat certification now and it was hard even though I have an extensive background in anatomy, physiology, and dance & movement. They are very well-respected and in fact, many of the people in my certification class were certified by others that were mentioned above. When I asked them why they were doing Power Pilates, they said that they wanted to get a better education and a more respected cert. I plan to continue with Intermediate mat and the apparatus as well, which will take a year or more. They are in Romana's direct lineage, so they are classical. BTW, I got my first job teaching Pilates right after my cert. :-)
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    Re: instructor certification

    Thu, May 5, 2005 - 9:17 AM
    I'm not in the Bay Area. I'm in Los Angeles and getting certified through Absolution. It's classic New York pilates. I wanted to get as close to the original as I could, because I think a strong foundation is important. I checked out the Physical Mind stuff, but thought Absolution seemed better for my needs. The program takes nearly 9 months from start to finish and is touch and thorough. Even with that, and the fact that I've been doing private pilates classes for years now, I'm still feeling insecure and concerned about taking care of clients. The best thing about the Absolution program is that they really teach you to teach, not just teach you pilates. If you are interested, check out www.absolution-la.com.
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      Thu, May 5, 2005 - 9:18 AM
      Oh, and our main instructor, Jill Cassady, worked at Joe Pilates studio in New York along with Romana. So she truly knows her stuff (and has lots of cute anecdotes).
      • Re: instructor certification

        Thu, May 5, 2005 - 11:56 PM
        I looked into absolution but prefer Physical Mind because they have perhaps the most stringent and discerning certifying teachers anywhere. One of my classmates took classes from Joe-he was into squeeze your butt when you were in poses and was generally an affable lech.
  • Re: instructor certification

    Sun, September 4, 2005 - 11:28 PM
    I'm certified through Physicalmind Institute and it is a very good education. I'm fully mat certified and am going through the apparatus training right now.

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